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(27.1.2016 17:05:12)
Rachel, z tohodle mam nejvetsi obavy..
... a rozhodnutí soudu o tom, že se má dítě vrátit k matce, zcela ignorovalo
Je vsak velmi zajimave, ze kdyz BV odebira deti, je policie casto u veci a BV pomaha. Jak je mozne, ze nejedna na prikaz soudu a nepostupuje stejne, kdyz ma byt dite navraceno? Vzdyt to je normalni unos, kdyz ji dite ukradnou a nevrati....tam policie nezasahuje?
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(27.1.2016 18:35:14)
no ono prostě rozhodnutí Evropského soudu pro lidská práva neignoroval pouze BV, ale celé Norsko jako takové. Oni přece ví nejlíp, co je pro dítě dobré, a všichni ostatní ať si trhnou nohou 
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| Yanull & 2 | 
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(27.1.2016 18:43:40)
a ešte vás "otrávim" jednou štatistkou
V r. 2009 zomrelo v Nórsku presne 40 "obyvateľov" vo veku 19 rokov. Podľa spomínanej nórskej štúdie zomrelo v rokoch 1990-2009 spolu 132 19-ročných "klientov" BV. To vychádza v priemere cca 7 19-ročných "klientov" BV/rok. A to predstavuje cca 17,5% z celkového počtu (40) 19-ročných "zomretých".
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| :-) zaregistrovaná | 
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(27.1.2016 20:18:13)
tak je skvělý, že jsme zde opět uvedly údaje od Cíťi na správnou míru, i když ta míra je tak hororová. Tedy se potvrzuje, že nám zde Cíťa valí do hlavy jen tu jejich propagandu, se skutečností, jak se v Norsku žije, to nemá společného nic!
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| *Hany | 
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(28.1.2016 17:11:37)
Ještě si sem "odložím" jednu statistiku
http://www.bufdir.no/Statistikk_og_analyse/Barnevern/
In 2014 received 53,088 children and young people, or nearly 4% of the population aged 0-22 years, child welfare services. Of these, 27% (14,220 children and young people), received help from child welfare previous year. From 2003 to 2011 there was a sharp increase in the number of children and adolescents with child welfare services at 45%, but the growth has leveled off from 2011
39% of children and adolescents with child welfare services were placed outside the home
Placement of children and young people outside the home is only relevant if the child welfare assistance is not sufficient to ensure the child a proper care situation. By the end of 2014 was 14,495 children and young people placed in care of child welfare services. These accounted for 39% of children and adolescents with child-welfare services. This is an increase of 5 percentage points from 2003, when 34% was placed outside the home.
Of children and young people who were placed in care of the child welfare service at the end of 2014 was 77% placed in foster care, 9% in residential care and 14% placed in separate housing with supervision. Type placement outside the home varies with age. Foster homes are the predominant location measure among children under 18, and most live in a foster home outside the family and close network.
By the end of 2014 had child welfare services taken over the custody of their 60% of children in placement and young people, or a total of 23% of children and young people under protection. This is an increase of almost 5 percentage points from the end of 2009, when child welfare service had caring responsibilities for 19% of children and adolescents with child protection measures. The growth we observe in the number of placed children and adolescents due thus an increase in the number of children CPS have the custody of, and not an increase in other types of investments.
The most common reason that children and young acute placed, is that they are in danger of being significantly harmed by remaining at home, for example due to abuse, severe neglect or your child at risk of harm from other outsiders. In 2014 had 1,504 children and young people such emergency placement decisions, a decline of 7% from 2013. This is the first decrease in the number of children with an acute location decisions since 2008. From 2008 to 2013, the increase was 70%. It is mostly young children with such a decision, by 1.7 per. 1000 aged 0-2 years.
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| Cita | 
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(28.1.2016 18:14:28)
Jasne, Cita a dalsi, kteri zijeme v Norsku nevime o zivote v Norsku nic...
Jak smesne..
Pises, ze ve veku 0-17 umira v Norsku kolem 260 deti rocne..a obvinujes me ze lzi, kdyz sem psala, ze jich je 136..
Ja ovsem psala, ze 136 jich je ve veku 1-17..jsou z toho vyjmuty deti ve veku 0-1 rok. Tohle se dela i v Cesku a v jinych zemich, protoze mnoho deti se rodi postizenych tak, ze se nedoziji ani jednoho roku.
Nelzu a zivote v Norsku vim nekonecne vice, nez vy.
A uz me nebavite.
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(28.1.2016 18:26:58)
Tak už konečne pretni tú nenávidenú pupočnú šnúru a prestaň sa do tej svojej "barbarskej" a zaostalej vlasti v jednom kuse vracať. Nájdi si obdobný nórsky server (určite bude lepší, ba čo, najlepší na celom šírom svete) a ži naveky šťastne. Amen.
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| Cita |
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(28.1.2016 20:52:56)
Prestan me poucovat kam se mam vracet a kam ne. Cesko nastesti nejste jen vy pomatenci..
Zij si stastne svoji norskou "nocni muru", kdyz te to bavi..
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| Pollyenka | 
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(28.1.2016 20:49:29)
Tak uz sem konečně prestaň lézt. Žij svůj krásný a bezchybný norský sen,buď dál mimo realitu,ale už fakt neprud.
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| Inaaa | 
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(30.1.2016 22:57:10)
A už mě nebavite....jak malé dítě na písku.... A zase přijde a zase kvokne a furt dokola...
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(31.1.2016 9:35:05)
cože to říkala Cíťa? Vše pro dítě? Děcáky neexistují? Ne, rovnou vězení:
http://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-udalosti/369560/co-ceka-deti-po-odebrani-v-norsku-vezeni-bez-hracek-rika-pravnicka.html
Norská sociální služba Barnevernet má pod kontrolou i většinu zařízení, kde odebrané děti čekají na pěstounskou rodinu. Norské dětské domovy ale v ledasčem připomínají vězení, tvrdí to norská právnička Evy Michalákové Janne Fjelnsethová.
„Je to hned několik institucí, nejsou si nutně podobné. Některé mohou být velké, kde žije hned několik dětí v malých pokojích. Jiné jsou menší, kde žije 4 až 6 dětí,“ řekla v rozhovoru pro Blesk.cz Fjelnsethová. Ne všechna zařízení, kam se dostanou odebrané děti, působí nepřátelsky, ale najdou se i taková, která připomínají vězení, a to nejenom vzhledem.
„Většina z nich má velmi přísný režim, děti jsou pod důsledným dohledem, není jim dovolenou telefonovat rodičům, komunikovat s nimi přes sociální sítě atp. Je to většinou Barnevernet, kdo tahle pravidla nastoluje,“ tvrdí Fjelnsethová. Ta se sama setkala s velmi starými budovami, které působí nejenom na děti nepříjemně.
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| Anni&Annika |
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(31.1.2016 14:20:49)
zaregistrovana....v Norsku jsou decaky...cetla jsem to nekolkrat a i sem jsem neco davala, kde se o nich pise...jen se jim tam rika jinak...pestounske domy, zarizeni? Ja ted fakt nevim, ale popisu klasicky decak....
ono...kdyz se tomu nerika decak, tak to prece nei decak, ne?
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| Pollyenka |
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(31.1.2016 14:22:22)
Myslím, že o nich byl poměrně dlouhý článek v Reflexu.
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(31.1.2016 10:13:19)
Já si myslím, že Cíťa ve skutečnosti tajně hraje proti BV. Přiznejme si to, kdyby tady pravidelně neprskala, tak by spoustu lidí ani nenapadlo si hromadu věcí dohledávat, lovit v hlubinách internetu různé statistiky a sledovat pozorně zprávy. I když se tady zapojuji velmi sporadicky, tak si diskuzi pravidelně čtu a mockrát mě její připomínky donutily si dohledat, ujasnit, přečíst...
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(31.1.2016 10:38:44)
tak tohle je síla!
http://www.expres.cz/duvody-proc-barnevernet-odebira-deti-dsl-/zpravy.aspx?c=A160130_165131_dx-zpravy_pali
1) Otec nemá práci a tudíž nemůže uživit rodinu.
2) Otec je nemocný a matka nemůže sehnat dobře placenou práci. Rodina proto nemá na hračky a mimoškolní aktivity dítěte.
3) Dítě nemá oblečení seřazené ve skříni v úhledných poskládaných komíncích.
4) Psycholog vypozoroval, že matka neumí uvařit dostatečně nutričně hodnotnou omeletu a krájí dítěti chleba na příliš tlusté krajíce.
5) Dítě se na ulici usmívá na cizí lidi a navazuje s nimi oční kontakt. Podle psychologa to svědčí o nedostatečném kontaktu s matkou.
6)Dítě během umývání otcem otáčí hlavou na nevhodnou stranu.
7) Matka při umývání dítěte používá moc mýdla.
8) Matka je moc pasivní a otec moc aktivní co se péče o dítě týče.
9) Otec má zraněnou nohu a nemůže vylézt na žebřík. Tudíž nemůže utřít prach z vrchní okenní římsy.
10) Dům měl záchod umístěný mimo obytné prostory.
ostatní šílenosti v odkazu  no ti Norové se naprosto zbláznili!!
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(31.1.2016 10:42:16)
na tom "expres.cz" už má BV tag "zlodějiděti" ...
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(31.1.2016 10:55:09)
vypráví dítě po odebrání:
"My story with Barnevernet starts when i was 8 year old, they start bullying my mother wich i was living alone with on an small island called Vigra... After a year of this, my mother packs som bags and she flees to Denmark with me...
14 days later in the hotel we stay in, police officers and Danish Barnevernet come storming in and forcefully remove me... They place me in an acute institution, this place is terrible they beat me for not brushing my teeth good enough... At this time , i did not understand what they where saying... And i was scared of the dark, they locked me up in my DARK bedroom... I was screaming and crying, so they threaten me to "silence" i still remember looking out the key hole all night... Just to see some light, after a week they moved me to a much bigger institution... Forced me to start ALONE in a Danish school, BIG school 500 students... Still scared and not speaking or understanding the language... I was of course bullied a lot and fighting for that reason, get expelled then they move me to another institution... This place was a real HELL, with a lot of abuse sexually and physically... My mother gave birth to my little sister when i was eleven years old... And i told her of some of the abuse, not the sexually of course, but still SHE CAME to my rescue and got me out of there... But already then i was "ruined" and had become a "problem child"... So i was moved to a foster home, which was "ok"... But all the way i felt and knew i was only an income for them, me and 3 others... and exactly that was proven... When the construction of their house was finished and they get a baby of they""re own. The 3 children under 18 we where thrown out, i was moved to a new institution... Living there until i was 16 years old, then they kicked me out in my own apartment... That off course ended bad in a jail sentence of 1 years and 6 months. Released into a new foster family which ended fast they got divorced, and i have been on and of in a violent past with criminal gangs, drugs more jail etc. like most of us grown up under the BV... But in 2004 they deported me back to Norway, STILL no HELP or anyonne caring about my past...
http://www.stopbarnevernet.com/ken-joar-olsen-and-his-aria---norway
zajímavé, v Norsku se děti bít nesmí, a tady ji zbili ve výchovném ústavu po odebrání od matky, za to, že si špatně vyčistila zuby? Mimo jiné, třeba sexuálního zneužívání se jí dostalo určitě více v záchranné instituci než u vlastní rodiny ale to bylo už v Dánsku, to se asi nepočítá, v Norsku to určitě takové nemají, a my tomu všichni věříme, sluníčkově, že?
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(31.1.2016 13:36:27)
Elšíková (FB):
...Z této diskuse musí všichni ti, kteří iniciují tyto pseudocausy, mít radost. Jim nejde o nic jiného, než zpochybnit všechno na světě, dokázat, že ani v Norsku nic nefunguje - a naopak v Rusku to funguje skvěle.
Buď si tá žena komplet zo všetkých robí prdel, ale skutočne trpí stihomamom.
wiki: Stihomam označuje pocity prenasledovania, podozrievavosť, vzťahovačnosť a vytváranie predstáv, ktoré nezodpovedajú realite. Objavuje sa pri niektorých psychických ochoreniach alebo po požití niektorých psychotropných látok. Výnimočne sa objavuje aj u psychicky zdravého jedinca napr. pri veľkej vyčerpanosti alebo v náročnej životnej situácii.
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| Pollyenka |
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(31.1.2016 14:00:55)
Řekla bych,že zamrzla v jedné době a nedokázala se od toho oprostit. Ona tomu totiž opravdu věří.
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| Grainne | 
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(31.1.2016 14:04:52)
Jo? A ze ji tedy nevadi jista nesvoboda, kterou Norsko navrtava do rodin, mnohe totalitni rezimy by si mohly vzit priklad, jak se prevychovava clovek v prikladneho, poslusneho slouhu totality.
Zrejme si mysli, ze elity, ke kterym se ona radi, by byly usetreny. No ona mozna ano, umi byt poslusna a poddajna vuci systemu, zvlast, kdyz se ji take odmenil nejakym tim zbylym ditkem.
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| Pollyenka |
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(31.1.2016 14:18:12)
Já si myslím,že ona je fakt přesvědčená o tom, že jde o ruskou propagandu. Že Norsko je ráj na zemi, který se snaží Rusko zlikvidovat. Stačí si přečíst její články, její komentáře na face. Její velkou a velmi opěvovanou kamarádku je paní Prekopová s její, dle mého názoru, pavědou o proudící lásce.
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(31.1.2016 17:38:42)
no, len aby o pár týždňov nevyliezla s tým, že to bola súčasť plánovanej psycho-sociologickej štúdie pre ministerstvo, kde skúmala názorové spektrum a snažila sa ľudí vyprovokovať k reakciám 
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(31.1.2016 17:59:16)
Jannull, divila bych se, na tenhle nápad by byl potřeba aspoň průměrně inteligentní člověk, takže tam tím směrem není šance!
PS: bouráme prase, tak si sem jen odbíhám na chvíli odpočinout, nevydržím dlouho stát.
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| Grainne |
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(31.1.2016 18:30:33)
Janullo, to nevim, ale kdyby si to mela umet vyhodnotit, nevychazela by bez neprustrelne vesty
To vis, je to dneska drina, bejt za intose, driv na to musel miz jeden pili, shanet literaturu, cist, studovat...dneska staci klik a vsichni vedi vsechno, nejak se nam ta radoby intelektualni eeeeeelita vymezit musi, takze musi byt v opozici i kdyby kvuli tomu byli za blbce.
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(31.1.2016 18:49:21)
zdá sa, že tá hláška vyrazila dych aj jej fanúšikom... stále ešte rozmýšľajú, ako na to inteligentne zareagovať (alebo či by nebolo lepšie nechať to zapadnúť mlčaním)
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| Inaaa |
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(31.1.2016 20:46:53)
http://afinabul.blog.cz/1306/norska-statem-organizovana-pedofilie-a-incest
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(31.1.2016 22:47:35)
Hovorili sme na druhý deň s nórskym pastorom, ktorý pracoval ako prekladateľ pre barnevernet v nórsko-anglických v prípadoch, v ktorých boli zapojení cudzinci. Povedal, že často mal dojem, že je v Severnej Kórei, keď videl a počul predložené argumenty alebo (dôvody), prečo (BV) v niektorých prípadoch zasahoval.
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(1.2.2016 11:17:14)
http://forskning.no/barn-og-ungdom-psykologi/2012/05/de-fleste-barn-hentes-uanmeldt
že by si toho někdo všiml, že odebrání je pro děti strašně stresující?
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(1.2.2016 13:17:10)
jo, tak tohle je dobrý ..
http://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-svet/370927/silvia-l-pracuje-pro-norskou-socialku-kdyz-dite-odeberou-hned-je-to-vazne.html
holky, co vy na to? Já si komentář ještě nechám projít hlavou, raději. Nerada bych dostala banána za výrazy.
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| *Hany |
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(1.2.2016 14:35:50)
Já to okamžité odebrání chápu. Jen nerozumím tomu, proč jsou schůzky s rodiči jen pár minut ročně (a to tvrdí nezávisle na sobě hodně postižených rodičů), proč děti ani nesmějí telefonovat dědovi, i když ho zjevně mají rády, a proč je ve většině případů nutné rozdělit sourozence. To fakt vypadá jako nucená převýchova, a ne dobro pro děti.
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(1.2.2016 15:11:41)
této "Silvia" urobila "exkluzívny" rozhovor už pred pár mesiacmi pre topky.sk...
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(2.2.2016 9:28:33)
Jannullo, ta Silvia co dela u BV hlavne nema prijimeni zacinajici na L, ale na E. A hodne se angazuje v krajanske komunite Cechu a Slovaku.
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(1.2.2016 15:18:42)
Kto má záujem aspoň "virtuálne" zoznámiť sa so životom nórskych matiek (čo na materských serveroch riešia, aké majú názory) - tu je jeden takýto server, anonymné fórum. Dozvedela som sa napr., že ak neplánujú ďalšie deti, detské oblečenie podobne ako u nás venujú alebo predávajú (niečo málo si nechajú na pamiatku), pohoršujú sa, ak niekto predáva aj fľakaté alebo deravé, len preto, že je to značkové. Riešia ceny plienok, ceny deťacích príkrmov vo fľaštičkách a mnoho podobných tém, ako u nás http://www.klikk.no/forum/barnimagen/index.php/forum/5206-anonymforum/page-1?prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all.
A okrem toho aj témy, s akými som sa ešte u nás nestretla, ak si dáte do vyhľadávača slovíčko Barnevernet http://www.klikk.no/forum/barnimagen/sok/?start_year=&query=Barnevernet&sort=&f=5206&author=&tid=&onlyTitles=&p=0
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(1.2.2016 21:22:38)
Pelíšku, zatím nic nového, vyplouvá čím dál tím hnusů o tom, co se děje v Norsku, a čekáme, čekáme, čekáme ...
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(2.2.2016 9:42:13)
názor psychiatra, že i když rodiče sami nesaturují plně potřeby dítěte, rodina má samozáchranné mechanismy pro to, aby z dítěte vyrostla plnohodnotná bytost:
http://neviditelnypes.lidovky.cz/spolecnost-je-rodina-nahraditelna-dobrou-peci-f4f-/p_spolecnost.aspx?c=A160131_220731_p_spolecnost_wag
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(1.2.2016 21:56:27)
ja si čítam nórske diskusie, nech som v obraze
Napr. matka (zrejme rozvedená, určite s novým partnerom) sa sťažuje na neznesiteľné správanie svojej pubertálnej dcéry (nechce upratovať, kričí... - doslova: predstavte si PMS najhoršieho druhu a to 10x). Okrem celkom rozumných rád jej radia i obrátiť sa na BV, prípadne že dievča by malo ísť do ústavu.
Mmch, obrátiť sa na BV je v tejto diskusii celkom frekventovaná rada, napr. radia to matke, ktorej dcéra má depresie, žene, ktorej sa nepáči sestrin prístup k starostlivosti o detí, žene, ktorá sa sťažuje, že sa 8-ročná spolužiačka jej dieťaťa u nich niekoľkokrát pocikala (tu je zaujímavé aj to, koľko diskutujúcich tam pozná podobné prípady pocikávajúcich sa školákov; + pocikávanie cez deň je dôvod na hlásenie BV), atď.
A zdá sa, že väčšina "neštandardných" (napr. ADHD) detí je pod dohľadom BV.
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(1.2.2016 22:07:39)
hm, príde mi to trochu neskoro vysvetľovať 7.ročnému dieťaťu v 2. triede, že do nohavičiek sa nekaká...
holt, iný kraj, iný mrav
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(2.2.2016 9:44:14)
jannull, mě pobavily ty překlady "děti v žaludku"
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| Anni&Annika |
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(1.2.2016 22:49:06)
Jannullu...mas-li problem, obrat se na BV....to je neco jako aspirin co pomuze na vsechno?..no to jo....jak je videt, zbavi te problemu /ditete
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| Anni&Annika |
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(1.2.2016 22:55:42)
akorat tak premyslim, jestli maji takove problemy plosne, kde bere BV ty normalni pestounske rodiny? Me napada jen jedina moznat....tim ze jim seberou jejich vlastni deti tak je zbavi problemu. Tito rodice pak budou vporadku a muzou tedy adoptovat ci pecovat o cizi...mozna ze problem se uz neopakuje, neb deti cizincu jsou na rozdil od rodilych Noru...jak to rict...z domova vycepovani. Poslouchaji, nepocuravaji se atd..atd... pokud, predaji se dal a zazada se o nove....
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(1.2.2016 23:03:12)
som tam dala odkaz, ako sa človek v podmienke za spreneveru pýta, či môže pracovať ako učiteľ alebo pestún (môže, pokiaľ nie je trestaný za násilie alebo zneužívanie detí)
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(2.2.2016 9:49:09)
Jannull, jak se podbízí, čteš to tam? Ti rodiče mluví stejně opatrně, jako když jsou záznamy s obyvateli severní Koree ..
opravdu je to nějaká populace 100 let za opicemi, kde místo aby se pracovalo s rodinou a případnou diagnózou se na všechno volá zaříkávací čarodějnice.
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| Anni&Annika |
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(2.2.2016 10:38:56)
no me spis nahani hruzu, ze ti lide uz ani neumi vychovavat vlastni deti sami. A nebo proste nemaji chut a vlastni zodpovednost radsi hodi na nekoho, v tomto pripade BV...vzdyt...na vsechno se musi volat BV...nejak neverim tomu, ze tenhle kolos nekdo premuze. Vzdyt...kdo bude rodicum pomahat vychovavat deti? Vzdyt ti lide to uz ani neumi.
Jak tu psala Cita...zenske s nekolika detmi se pomaha tak, ze se deti berou na vylet, u ni doma se uklizi atd...atd....tohle prece neni prace socialky.
Oni z tech lidi vychovavaji nesamostatne zavislaky. V tomto pripade zavislaky na BV....
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(2.2.2016 11:35:23)
Anni, vystihla jsi to výborně!
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(2.2.2016 13:14:36)
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| Anni&Annika |
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(3.2.2016 8:56:31)
zaregistrovana....no jo no. Chytrej jak radio, ale aby sam neco vymyslel a pomohl, to ani nahodou.
Ale jak jsem tu nekde cetla na jine diskusi /nevim, informaci jsem neoverovala/, jinde se vymenuje a o zivoty statnich obcanu se bojuje, ale u Norska to nejde.... Asi proto, ze ho vsichni ti nahore povazuji za civilizovanou zemi, co finanacne podporuje par nasich odvetvi a kde prece tudiz nemuze byt ohrozen lidsky zivot. A nebo ten detsky pro ne nema zadnou vahu. Vzdyt co to je.. dite ma znicenou psychiku na cely zivot. Videt to prece neni a s pistoli u hlavy mu nikdo nestoji, tak asi neni v ohrozeni zivota.
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(3.2.2016 9:20:30)
Anni, spíš je na norsku vidět, kam až může dojít socialismus a potřeba nechat se stádně vést. Ti lidi si nechávají prznit rodiny, svoje vlastní děti, myslí si, že je někdo jiný odborníkem na jejich životy. To je něco tak absurdního, že důsledky takového myšlení si v realitě dovede představit málokterý z našich politiků, neb touha řídit náš život i v takové oblasti, jako je výchova dětí, je levicových politiků sen.
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| Raduna |
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(3.2.2016 9:59:29)
Zaregistrovaná,
máš naprostou pravdu. Bohužel, existuje spousta lidí, kteří si na tenhle aspect minulého režimu nepamatují nebo jim naopak vyhovoval a chtěli by to zavádět znovu. Viz. Marksová
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| Anni&Annika |
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(3.2.2016 10:31:59)
zaregostrovana...no jo, no...pri dnesnim trendu vychovy deti, kdy ani nevis /miliony ruznych informaci na webu/, co je vlastne spravne, se ani nedivim, ze v tom mnohe matky tapou a tak vznikla vsevedouci vedma BV co vi, co je pro dite nejlepsi. A to se vsim vsudy.
Pri prvnim diteti delas to, co ti vsichni radi, teprve pri druhym nad tim zacnes vic premyslet.
Ja to ted videla u male. Dvacet let rozdil mezi holkama, a rozdil neskutecnej.
Za totace nam vtloukali do hlavy, ze kojeni nic moc /dokonce jednu dobu panoval nazor, ze je materske mleko skodlive/. Pred kazdym kojeni v porodnici jsme si musely /fakt vsechny zensky, vyjimky nepripadaly v uvahu/ bradavky omyvat desinfekci. Mely jsme ji kazda u postele v takovych velky flaskach z umele hmoty a strikali jsme to na prso pred kojenim. A fak potoky.
Se ani nedivim, ze to starsi dite nema zadnou imunitu, a ze cely dosavadni zivot tim trpi.
U te male uz bych to ani nebrala vazne. Vubec bych to nedelala, ani kdyby nade mnou stalo 5 sester. Ani mi nevadilo, kdyz se dite nekde hrabalo a i kdyby jedla hlinu, je mi to fuk.
Mala zadne problemy s imunitou nema.
Ale zase....za male se vsichni hroutili, kdyz melo dite zacpu. Pouzivali se cipky, strkalo se cosi do zadecku kvuli uvolneni a ja nevom co jeste. Tak jsem male udelala odvar z ovesnych vlocek, jako kdysi te velke. A byl klid. Pulka znamych se hroutilo jak diteti skodim. Nasi lekarce jsem to rekla a ona se jen zeptala, jestli to pomohlo a jestli dite nema nejake problemy. Nemelo. O.k....v pripade potreby to pomohlo vzdycky. Zas tak casto to nebyvalo.
Takze pri tom druhem das zu vic na svuj instinkt.
Ale v dnesni dobe internetu se na tebe vali takova spousta rozdilnych informaci, ze ne kazdy je umi filtrovat a je tusiz rad, ze existuje nekdo, kdo vi VZDYCKY jan na to...
Takze ti Norove to delaji cele dobrovolne. Ani je nikdo nemusi nutit a nakazovat.
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(3.2.2016 11:14:25)
Pelíšku, teď už kdyby Norsko se dál chovalo, že jsou kluci Michalákovic jejich majetkem, tak už by to byl útok na úrovni vlád jednotlivých států, to už si myslím nedovolí. Pak je taky otázka, jestli se nebude Norsko snažit situaci už nějak řešit. Můj názor je, že je tam velký problém v tom, že úřady na jedné straně by situaci řešit chtěly, ale norský systém dal naprostou autonomii místní úřední jednotce, která se tam chová jako oligarcha.
Snad se to nebude pořád jen natahovat natahovat a natahovat! Ovšem asi i setkání s realitou jednání norských úřadů si myslím, že bude pro českou stranu dost studená sprcha.
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| Anni&Annika |
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(3.2.2016 11:23:11)
tu sprchu bych prala osobne Zaoralkovi.
ja si myslim, ze jim je nejake Cesko uplne kdesi. Uvidite devcata. Pojede to cele postaru.
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| Grainne |
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(3.2.2016 12:49:53)
Anni, vzhledem k tomu, ze vlada mela evidentne v umyslu nechat to tise vyhnit s tim, ze verejnost zase zapomene, tak slusny vysledej toho tlaku, protoze zjistila, ze ji to jen tak neprojde.
Zrejme jim nedocvaklo, ze kdyz bylo zle, Cesi se naopak vzdycky semkli prave v rodine, nebo v uzke komunite a tam prezili cokoliv, takze prave na rodinu a zasahy do ni jsou vice haklivi, nez kterykoliv jiny narod.
Mozna "po sametu" nekteri na chvili pozapomneli, ale ja to povazuju mj za zakladni instinkt...coz se tedy statu Norsko skoro povedlo v lidech potlacit. No ale ono to totiz nezmizi, jen je treba to vyburcovat.
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| :-) zaregistrovaná |
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(3.2.2016 13:02:24)
Pelíšku, zajímavé je, že na té konferenci zazněla ta věta, kterou píšeš, a k tomu dodáno, že z toho důvodu byl návrh poslán k připomínkování na ministerstvo spravedlnosti, to už se tisku, rozhodně ne na aktualne.cz, nepíšou.
wintep: já si nemyslím raději už skoro vůbec nic ..
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| Grainne |
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(3.2.2016 13:20:26)
Pelisku, to, ze se budou cukat, se predpokladalo...jak nekdo trefne napsal, kdyby Zeman vymyslel lek na rakovinu, bude obvinen ze sireni epidemie.
Vlada to opravdu silne hrala do kouta, ne ze by ted zacla byt altruisticka, tedy presneji, CSSD, ale nemuze si dovolit nahravat body Zemanovi a neprimo i ANO.
Bohuzel se CSSD natolik prave pripadem Michalakovych silne priklonila k totalite, ze pro me se stala neprijatelnou. Vubec ma tendence zacit srkat nos, kam statu neprislusi.
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(3.2.2016 10:14:29)
Pelíšku, hledám na netu zpětně, nenašla, tys tam viděla, co říkají?
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(3.2.2016 10:47:11)
Ministerstvo zahraničí vstupuje do procesu v Norsku a využívá práv, které má dané zákonem a smlouvami tak, aby upozornili na porušování zájmů občanů ČR, a rozporují postup Norska tak, že je nepřípustná adopce a nepřípustné zamezení kontaktu dětí s biologickou matkou.
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| Anni&Annika |
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(3.2.2016 10:49:46)
a co ta smlouva od Zemana?
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(3.2.2016 10:50:45)
smlouvu, kterou koncipoval poslanec Mach a podpořil prezident, dostal do dikce ministr spravedlnosti, aby zpracoval námitky k této smlouvě. Nebyla odmítnuta, nadále se procesně zpracovává.
Na mě to působí pozitivně. Nezněl ani jeden argument viz "kapitán" atd.
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| Anni&Annika |
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(3.2.2016 10:53:53)
no to jsem na to zvedava...
kdyby detem udelili diplomatickou imunitu, mozna ze by to slo rychleji a bez celych tech tanecku.
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(3.2.2016 10:54:22)
už je to na webu:
http://zpravy.idnes.cz/ministr-zaoralek-o-pripadu-bratru-michalakovych-v-norsku-pmy-/domaci.aspx?c=A160203_075011_domaci_kop
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(1.2.2016 22:59:17)
Jeg har fått en innkallelse til møte med barnevernet nå, ang. eldstebarnet mitt. Hun sliter med adferdsvansker på skolen, jeg mistenker adhd, men hun er ikke til utredning ennå. Er i gang med å sende en henvendelse til bup.
Paragrafene de bruker i brevet er 4.2 og 4.3, om det har noe å si.
Vil det se positivt el negativt ut om jeg faktisk sier på møtet at jeg gjerne vil ha hjelp, type foreldrekurs for barn med adferdsvansker, på det innledende møtet? For adferdsvanskene er jo på hjemmebane også. Eller vil det slå negativt ut ovenfor barnevernet?
Jeg vet at de bare vil hjelpe, men man blir jo skremt av sånne brev uansett...
Prečo v Nórsku pri podozrení na ADHD kontaktujú BV?
Je niečo, pričom sa, ak to vybočuje "z linajky", nepodáva hlásenie na BV?
Je mi regulérne zle z toho štátu...
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| Sandefjording | 
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(2.2.2016 9:25:33)
Jannulla: To je "dobré", hlavne keď nie je ani jasné, či ADHD vôbec existuje ako diagnóza (minimálne to, že je výrazne nadužívaná sa vie).
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| Yanull & 2 |
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(2.2.2016 9:43:30)
Andrej, no jedno moje dieťa ju má (pevne verím, že budeme mať to šťastie a patrí k tým cca 50%-tám, ktoré z toho vyrastú). Je to náročné, ale vyzerá to nádejne.
Práve preto mi rozum zastáva, čo s tým má sociálka Nórski rodičia sú natoľko nekompetentní, že učiteľ miesto toho, aby informoval ich, že dieťa má problém s koncentráciou a je "hyperkinetické" a chcelo by to vyšetrenie (špec. pedagóg, psychológ, neurológ), volá rovno sociálku?
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| Anni&Annika |
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(1.2.2016 15:07:38)
no ten clanek vubec nic nerika....si ho klidne mohli odpustit.....napsana stranka o nicem
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(31.1.2016 22:47:36)
Jannullo, tak myslím, že mnoho opravdu rodilých Norů na vysokých postech ten systém BV dost kritizuje, tohle Cíťa nepřečíslí
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| *Hany |
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(31.1.2016 14:22:20)
"Zrejme si mysli, ze elity, ke kterym se ona radi, by byly usetreny. "
Jo, tak to je. Elity, které se v minulosti snažily nalajnovat lidem život, pak byly velmi překvapeny, když tvrdá pěst dolehla i na ně. A jen někteří z nich si uvědomili, že si to zasloužili.
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A taky, jestli se tam už teď mimča necítí úplně v pohodě, tak jim vše vyzrává rychleji, to víš? Naše se narodila akutně ve 33+2, měla pár hodin jen podpůrný kyslík a hned dýchala sama, a to jsem neměla píchnutý kortikoidy, mimču ty plíce dozrály dřív, tušila, že půjde brzo ven 
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